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	<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on In the meantime, in a kingdom far, far away&#8230; by ::: Think Macro ::: » Making the &#8220;new&#8221; media &#8220;old&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://thinkmacro.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/in-the-meantime-in-a-kingdom-far-far-away/#comment-1106</link>
		<dc:creator>::: Think Macro ::: » Making the &#8220;new&#8221; media &#8220;old&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have blogged before about the internet censorship law in Israel and it seems to become a rather worrisome [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The cat ate my homework! by ::: Think Macro ::: » Holocaust Remembrance Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>::: Think Macro ::: » Holocaust Remembrance Day</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] comment reminded me of a post i was thinking about for a few days already and today is a particularly [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on I love DC! by Politics, popularity, and personalization &#171; ::: Think Macro :::</title>
		<link>http://thinkmacro.wordpress.com/2007/07/16/i-love-dc/#comment-1092</link>
		<dc:creator>Politics, popularity, and personalization &#171; ::: Think Macro :::</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] popularity, and&#160;personalization  I already said that i love DC. Another reason to love it, are the many opportunities offered by this [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The AP drama by Leonid</title>
		<link>http://thinkmacro.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/the-ap-drama/#comment-1088</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only think that I have to add to the roundup above, is this:
http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/19/the-ap-has-violated-my-copyright-and-i-demand-justice/. (TechCrunch's Mike Arrington complains about AP violating their own rather loose interpretation of a copyright law)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only think that I have to add to the roundup above, is this:<br />
<a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/19/the-ap-has-violated-my-copyright-and-i-demand-justice/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/19/the-ap-has-violated-my-copyright-and-i-demand-justice/</a>. (TechCrunch&#8217;s Mike Arrington complains about AP violating their own rather loose interpretation of a copyright law)</p>
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		<title>Comment on The AP drama by Josh Braun</title>
		<link>http://thinkmacro.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/the-ap-drama/#comment-1087</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack Lail has a good post that contains a good &lt;a href="http://feeds.jacklail.com/~r/RandomMumblings/~3/315372964/along-came-ap-on-an-otherwise.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;roundup&lt;/a&gt; of the story thus far.

The AP's getting some backlash from newspapers, who technically own the syndicate, because links to AP stories drive a lot of traffic to their sites (the same papers whose print ad revenue is plummeting).  If bloggers boycott AP, as many say they are planning to do, it'll threaten to cut papers who post AP stories out of the &lt;a href="http://battellemedia.com/archives/003432.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;conversation economy.&lt;/a&gt;

At the same time, some have &lt;a href="http://www.knightdigitalmediacenter.org/leadership_blog/comments/link_from_hub_to_web/" rel="nofollow"&gt;suggested&lt;/a&gt; that the boycott may benefit smaller papers, as people begin linking to the local papers covering a story, rather than their wire service counterpart.

You're totally right that the AP doesn't understand what they're getting into.  (A) What bloggers are doing is definitely fair use, (B) the syndicate is owned by the newspapers, many of whom appear to be pissed about the whole thing, and (C) there are myriad other sources out there, including other wire services, that are just as easily linked to.  And if that happens and the AP gets cut out of the &lt;a href="http://battellemedia.com/archives/003432.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;conversation economy&lt;/a&gt;, their readership, and subsequently their political and market leverage, will plummet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Lail has a good post that contains a good <a href="http://feeds.jacklail.com/~r/RandomMumblings/~3/315372964/along-came-ap-on-an-otherwise.html" rel="nofollow">roundup</a> of the story thus far.</p>
<p>The AP&#8217;s getting some backlash from newspapers, who technically own the syndicate, because links to AP stories drive a lot of traffic to their sites (the same papers whose print ad revenue is plummeting).  If bloggers boycott AP, as many say they are planning to do, it&#8217;ll threaten to cut papers who post AP stories out of the <a href="http://battellemedia.com/archives/003432.php" rel="nofollow">conversation economy.</a></p>
<p>At the same time, some have <a href="http://www.knightdigitalmediacenter.org/leadership_blog/comments/link_from_hub_to_web/" rel="nofollow">suggested</a> that the boycott may benefit smaller papers, as people begin linking to the local papers covering a story, rather than their wire service counterpart.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re totally right that the AP doesn&#8217;t understand what they&#8217;re getting into.  (A) What bloggers are doing is definitely fair use, (B) the syndicate is owned by the newspapers, many of whom appear to be pissed about the whole thing, and (C) there are myriad other sources out there, including other wire services, that are just as easily linked to.  And if that happens and the AP gets cut out of the <a href="http://battellemedia.com/archives/003432.php" rel="nofollow">conversation economy</a>, their readership, and subsequently their political and market leverage, will plummet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dieing newspapers? by Dima</title>
		<link>http://thinkmacro.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/dieing-newspapers/#comment-1085</link>
		<dc:creator>Dima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Josh!  That's an entire post in itself... :)  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Josh!  That&#8217;s an entire post in itself&#8230; :)  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dieing newspapers? by Josh Braun</title>
		<link>http://thinkmacro.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/dieing-newspapers/#comment-1084</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been following this issue pretty closely as it's been discussed in the "journo blogs."  I don't think anyone knows the answer.  WAN is a mixed bag.  Yes, they're industry-biased in some ways, but they also want to see the industry survive the digital switchover and are advocating that newspapers deal head-on with some tough issues, so their analysis, which I admit I've only &lt;a href="http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/category/wan-2008/" rel="nofollow"&gt;read about second-hand&lt;/a&gt;, seems to be a mix of bizarre mix of harsh realism and industry protectionism.

At any rate, I think the situation comes down to a mix of a few factors:

(1) People &lt;a href="http://www.onthemedia.org/episodes/2008/03/28/segments/95889" rel="nofollow"&gt;still want news&lt;/a&gt; from traditional news organizations, not just blogs and prosumer websites.

(2) Pundits frequently predict the fall of particular media prematurely.  Radio is still around, though it looks nothing like it did in the 1920s, and nightly newscasts haven't been killed by cable news.  Print newspapers will survive, most likely, but they may change their form substantially.  Papers in the UK, for instance, &lt;a href="http://voxford.blogspot.com/2008/05/nick-davies-all-pr-thats-fit-to-print.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;seem to have changed&lt;/a&gt; focus somewhat as the conditions of competition changed.

(3) I tend to agree with &lt;a href="http://voxford.blogspot.com/2008/05/roger-that-observing-roger-alton.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Roger Alton&lt;/a&gt; on at least one point&#8212;that if you were riding the metro, sitting in the park, or wandering into a cafe, and print newspapers didn't exist, that you'd want to invent something like them.  Which says something about the commercial viability of the medium, even if it means that the market will be smaller.  It may be that mobile Internet and GPS tagging one day become so ubiquitous that printing doesn't make sense any more, but that day is aways off.

(4) In every country, there are generational and cultural differences in news consumption and production.  Young journalists frequently treat new media differently than older journalists.  Same with consumers.  And which subcultures constitute the production class and buying public in a given capitalist society says a lot about what media are "important" and how long they will remain so&#8212;whether a particular medium will, for instance, enjoy a lasting hegemony, or ultimately succumb to (or benefit from) a cohort effect.

(5) The way newspapers are funded is also a big factor here.  As print advertising revenues in the US have bottomed out, there have been a number of things going on.  Experimental business models like &lt;a href="http://spot.us" rel="nofollow"&gt;Spot.Us&lt;/a&gt; are being given a whirl, and big companies like the Washington Post have changed their major revenue sources.  The Washington Post company, for instance, has diversified from the newspaper business.  It now owns and gets much, if not most, of its revenue from its subsidiary, Kaplan, Inc&#8212;the test preparation company.  At the same time it's buying out a huge portion of its newspaper staff.  And other papers, like the &lt;em&gt;Los Angeles Times&lt;/em&gt;, are in an even &lt;a href="http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2008/06/13/03" rel="nofollow"&gt;worse bind&lt;/a&gt;.  How newspapers get funded, and &lt;em&gt;which part&lt;/em&gt; of a newspaper organization gets funded (online video, columnists, reporting, foreign bureaus or local ones, etc.) will go a long way toward deciding how they prioritize the print portion of their business.  And that funding model, at the moment, is in major flux as we see widely divergent financial experiments from paper to paper, let alone from country to country.  So it's kind of hard to do any comparisons just yet.

I know I had other thoughts, as well, but they escape me at the moment, and this is already an über-long comment.  If you're following this stuff, though, I've been updating a new-media-and-journalism &lt;a href="feed://wideaperture.net/understudy/rss/journalism/out/rss.php?user=1" rel="nofollow"&gt;RSS feed&lt;/a&gt; that collects posts from around 30 journo blogs on topics like this one.  They're not necessarily the end-authorities on the subject, of course, but I've found a lot of interesting commentary there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been following this issue pretty closely as it&#8217;s been discussed in the &#8220;journo blogs.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t think anyone knows the answer.  WAN is a mixed bag.  Yes, they&#8217;re industry-biased in some ways, but they also want to see the industry survive the digital switchover and are advocating that newspapers deal head-on with some tough issues, so their analysis, which I admit I&#8217;ve only <a href="http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/category/wan-2008/" rel="nofollow">read about second-hand</a>, seems to be a mix of bizarre mix of harsh realism and industry protectionism.</p>
<p>At any rate, I think the situation comes down to a mix of a few factors:</p>
<p>(1) People <a href="http://www.onthemedia.org/episodes/2008/03/28/segments/95889" rel="nofollow">still want news</a> from traditional news organizations, not just blogs and prosumer websites.</p>
<p>(2) Pundits frequently predict the fall of particular media prematurely.  Radio is still around, though it looks nothing like it did in the 1920s, and nightly newscasts haven&#8217;t been killed by cable news.  Print newspapers will survive, most likely, but they may change their form substantially.  Papers in the UK, for instance, <a href="http://voxford.blogspot.com/2008/05/nick-davies-all-pr-thats-fit-to-print.html" rel="nofollow">seem to have changed</a> focus somewhat as the conditions of competition changed.</p>
<p>(3) I tend to agree with <a href="http://voxford.blogspot.com/2008/05/roger-that-observing-roger-alton.html" rel="nofollow">Roger Alton</a> on at least one point&mdash;that if you were riding the metro, sitting in the park, or wandering into a cafe, and print newspapers didn&#8217;t exist, that you&#8217;d want to invent something like them.  Which says something about the commercial viability of the medium, even if it means that the market will be smaller.  It may be that mobile Internet and GPS tagging one day become so ubiquitous that printing doesn&#8217;t make sense any more, but that day is aways off.</p>
<p>(4) In every country, there are generational and cultural differences in news consumption and production.  Young journalists frequently treat new media differently than older journalists.  Same with consumers.  And which subcultures constitute the production class and buying public in a given capitalist society says a lot about what media are &#8220;important&#8221; and how long they will remain so&mdash;whether a particular medium will, for instance, enjoy a lasting hegemony, or ultimately succumb to (or benefit from) a cohort effect.</p>
<p>(5) The way newspapers are funded is also a big factor here.  As print advertising revenues in the US have bottomed out, there have been a number of things going on.  Experimental business models like <a href="http://spot.us" rel="nofollow">Spot.Us</a> are being given a whirl, and big companies like the Washington Post have changed their major revenue sources.  The Washington Post company, for instance, has diversified from the newspaper business.  It now owns and gets much, if not most, of its revenue from its subsidiary, Kaplan, Inc&mdash;the test preparation company.  At the same time it&#8217;s buying out a huge portion of its newspaper staff.  And other papers, like the <em>Los Angeles Times</em>, are in an even <a href="http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2008/06/13/03" rel="nofollow">worse bind</a>.  How newspapers get funded, and <em>which part</em> of a newspaper organization gets funded (online video, columnists, reporting, foreign bureaus or local ones, etc.) will go a long way toward deciding how they prioritize the print portion of their business.  And that funding model, at the moment, is in major flux as we see widely divergent financial experiments from paper to paper, let alone from country to country.  So it&#8217;s kind of hard to do any comparisons just yet.</p>
<p>I know I had other thoughts, as well, but they escape me at the moment, and this is already an über-long comment.  If you&#8217;re following this stuff, though, I&#8217;ve been updating a new-media-and-journalism <a href="feed://wideaperture.net/understudy/rss/journalism/out/rss.php?user=1" rel="nofollow">RSS feed</a> that collects posts from around 30 journo blogs on topics like this one.  They&#8217;re not necessarily the end-authorities on the subject, of course, but I&#8217;ve found a lot of interesting commentary there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Things you can do Wii with by lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very cool. Waiting for their beta release... Thanks Dima!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Things you can do with Wii by Things you can do Wii with &#171; ::: Think Macro :::</title>
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		<dc:creator>Things you can do Wii with &#171; ::: Think Macro :::</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you can do Wii&#160;with  A while ago i wrote about things you can do with Wii. Now i learned about a group of young Israelis, Veronica&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Chase scam by Josh Braun</title>
		<link>http://thinkmacro.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/chase-scam/#comment-1073</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip!  I'll have to check out Weave.  If you like the whole desktop-web integration thing, it sounds like a thing to get in on early.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip!  I&#8217;ll have to check out Weave.  If you like the whole desktop-web integration thing, it sounds like a thing to get in on early.</p>
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